WWDB Quixtar Training Baby Steps

This appears to be a step in the right direction. I still have to wonder why all WWDB CD's are not available for free MP3 download. WWDB pays lip service to the free download model by offering 5 minute clips. The only logical explation for the lack of free downloads is the CD and membership profit enjoyed by the leaders of WWDB.

The post below also suggests that CD's are $2.50 through WWDB. Let us not forget that when you include WWDB membership in the equation, standing order CD's are more expensive now than before the price reduction.

Unquixotic:

The Web Tour module, a secure Powerpoint-style presentation used as an introduction to World Wide's Private Franchise business model, enables IBOs to expose their business to prospects via phone and the web in a brief, professional, standardized manner. Alternately, a printout of the presentation may be used to make it accessable to the no- or low-tech level of either prospects or IBOs.
Either method will allow IBOs to identify potential business partners, regardless of distance, technology levels or scheduling challenges. (Web tour presentation time is 10 minutes or less.)

The Web Training module, complimentary to the Web Tour, enables IBOs to train their registered business partner IBOs via web & 1-on-1 or conference call phone sessions regardless of distance or technology levels. The Web Training module includes existing training documents previously available via the WWDB website, all-new training documents relating to the use of the Web Tour and Web Training modules and the outlining of a clarified business game plan to help IBOs take advantage of all the recent business-enhancing developments from World Wide Group. Again, printouts of the documents can be mailed or faxed to be made accessable for no- or low-tech IBOs.

Also included in each section of the Web Training business plan outline are Audio Tips-- averaging at about 5 minutes each in length, the MP3-format audio training files are by WWDB leaders are related to each topic section of the outline. WWDB CDs are cross-referenced per topic for more in-depth training. (WWDB CDs are priced at as little as $2.50 each, for Premier Member IBOs.)

Comments

[anon]

"Let us not forget that when you include WWDB membership in the equation, standing order CD's are more expensive now than before the price reduction."

Ty,

Careful with the math there, your Houdini wand is showing... Let us not forget that Premier Membership w/my.biz includes an ecommerce-enabled website, which is a revenue generator (assuming an IBO is actually making business-promoting activities, not just subscribing to a tape service), a web-based ordering & bookkeeping app which is more robust than is offered via Quixtar's site, and more, such as the Web Tour and Web Training modules as mentioned.

In addition, again assuming an IBO is doing business-promoting activities, they need professionally produced promotional materials for prospects and training materials for downline who are not "wired." In that case, where an IBO who is actively building their business and loaning out promotional and training materials to a significant number of people, their savings over the previous tool distribution model actually increases significantly.

Again, how does one hand a prospect or new downline an MP3 file? The technology for digital audio distribution is not yet standardized or ubiquitous enough to be viable as an exclusive distribution method. For one's personal consumption of training, digital distribution just plain makes sense. For promotional and training materials to others, not so much. But I expect that as time passes, it will be more viable and the transition will be made.

However, even under a mostly digital distribution model, there is still an expense for the servers and bandwidth to host the files, and a monthly subscription rate like is paid for Premier Membership would still make sense to offset those costs... or are you maintaining that server farms and internet backbones drop out of heaven for free? ;)

Anyway, a so-called "IBO" who is simply subscribing to a weekly tape/CD and NOT conducting any business-building activities is NOT really a business owner, they are a Prosumer, and should follow the advice of Ron Puryear to re-evaluate their goals and either ramp up their activity level or drop off standing order and functions and simply enjoy the benefits of being a Prosumer.

[Ty]

Anon,

A lot of talk and no numbers.

What are the numbers?

How much does it cost and what do you get, exactly?

I think I made it clear that CD's are not bad and many are beneficial, however, that is some reason why WWDB does not offer them for free MP3's in addition to selling them...

Bandwidth? That's a joke. If the information is vital, have the diamonds pony up $200 a month/ea.

[Ty]

P.S. I know how much it costs to produce a site similar to mybiz, probably $1/month +/-.

I said this may be a step in the right direction.

If WWDB charged $20 a month for web and MP3 standing order, they would still make a profit....it just wouldn't build the River House and that is a problem for Puryear and Co.

[Ty]

"simply enjoy the benefits of being a Prosumer."

What might those be?

[anon]

Premier Membership w/my.biz is 40.90/month.

It includes:

Access to wwdb.com ($24/yr value)
-Auto login to Quixtar & CommuniKate
-newsletters and e-mails
-Live photos of incentive trips
-Online purchasing (function tickets, Hotel reservations, tax packet, etc)
-Function calenders, maps, locater
-IHSS client incentive calculator (for clients to track their progress toward incentive gifts)
-Ability to earn bonuses on retail purchases of WWDB services
-Access to AutoConnect vehicle purchase/service/financing program
-e|office ordering/bookkeeping web app(formerly e|order, constantly being updated-- web programmers are $1/month?)

Discounts on:
Standing order tapes and CDs for $2.50 each; 64% savings
Additional tapes and CDs for $2.50 each; 64% savings
Videos and DVDs at $7.50 each; 58% savings
Profiles of Success for $7.50 each; 58% savings
Books - Average 30% discount off suggested retail
Literature - Average 20% discount off suggested retail
my.biz - Personal website for $2.95/month; 80% savings over retail of 16.95/month

my.biz includes the Web Tour and Web Training, as I said, is integrated with CommuniKate, and is being regularly updated with feature updates, new content and graphics options for individual customization (Web programmers and graphic designers for $1/month?)

All of the above is covered by the same customer/technical support team as CommuniKate and DreamBuilders Internet service, which is available 12 hours Mon-Fri, 8 hrs Saturday & Sunday. (Support for $1/month?)

Compare this to IBOsystems.com, which starts at $16.65/mo and includes an extra domain registration fee (their unified communications system-- still in development, apparently-- will be extra too) and at time of writing, their Live Help was showing as being offine (in the middle of the day? that's inspiring.)

Under the old tool distribution system, a non-platinum IBO would be paying about $42/mo for Standing Order and $7 per CD extra. If one was buying just 1 extra tape/week on the old system, that's $70/mo.

Under Premiere Membership w/my.biz ($40.90/mo) standing order ($15) plus 1 extra tape/week ($10), it's $65.90. Only $4.10 cheaper, but our IBO is still getting an ecommerce website that he'd be paying another $16.65/mo from ibosystems.com, and still gets all of the above... And still has the option of charging suggested retail for non-premier downline tool purchases.

Our same IBO with the addition of one non-premier downline on Standing Order has the option of making back $27/month in tool sales, cutting his personal tool expenses down to $38.90-- less than Standing Order under the old system, and still includes all of the above. (Or simply provide tools at Premier cost, as Michael does.)

[anon]

Prosumer benefits:

-Wholesale access to Quixtar products
-ability to develop Prosumer & client base
-Performance bonuses on personal and client volume, retail profits
-Network Savings card on services
-able to deduct certain business expenses for tax purposes

Per my Competence & Profitability post (http://unquixotic.blogspot.com/2006/03/competence-and-profitability.html) a 300PV Prosumer who isolates their wholesale/retail margin for personal and client purchases has a $500/year profit advantage over a Costco Executive Business Membership, and that's INCLUDING a $250/mo operating expense for Premiere Membership, CommuniKate, Standing Order and Function attendence.

[Ty]

1. Yes, it costs about $1 a month per replicated website, roughly. 1500 sites = $1500. That includes hosting and updates.

2. IBOsystems is a for profit company that is not in the Quixtar business. Every owner of WWDB has a financial interest in WWDB IBO's, yet the still see the training as a profit center.

3. Standing order in WWDB at $7 a cd was $42. Now it costs $40.90 plus $15.

4. $24 a year for access to WWDB.com is a joke and probably pure profit.

We haven't even begun to address whether or not these tools help IBO's turn a profit.

[anon]

P.S. Reduce the Opex to an Enhanced Membership ($16.95/mo for my.biz) without functions or tools, and you've got a 300PV Prosumer at a $3761.40/yr profit.

Also, the correct link to my post is http://unquixotic.blogspot.com/2006/03/competence-and-profitability.html

[Ty]

I love the term "isolate savings".

In other words, have a retail price that is 50% higher than similar products on the market, then tell people that they will save 30% on that retail price and give them a trendy name...."prosumer".

I also like how we cruise right by the fact that 300PV equals approx. $825, which is unrealistic for the average consumer.

[anon]

Ty,

You've claimed (per http://unquixotic.blogspot.com/2006/03/flawed-logic-of-tool-sales-criticism.html ) that you "have never had a problem with people making money on the system..." and yet you here are attempting to make a distinction between ibosystems being a for-profit business and independent training systems such as WWBD-- I fail to see a distinction. If an IBO wanted an equivelent service as he can get from my.biz, and his upline didn't offer it, they would have no option but to either use a for-profit service like ibosystems.com or spend otherwise productive time in creating their own website and getting it reviewed.

You consistently ignore the fact that a lowly 100 PV Premiere Member IBO has the same profit margin on tools as a Platinum premier member IBO and is potentially a "profit center" forthemselves... I realize that this is because it doesn't fit within the storyline you've created, so it's more convenient to omit it.

[Ty]

Anon,

Either you are naive or lieing...

"You consistently ignore the fact that a lowly 100 PV Premiere Member IBO has the same profit margin on tools as a Platinum premier member IBO and is potentially a "profit center" forthemselves"

A platinum makes $7 per premier member. Do they not?

[anon]

Ty,

After all the harping on your website about the FTC requirements for 10 clients, I find it laughable that you complete ignore client retail profit (Magic Math rule #1!) in the 300PV Prosumer example I gave, which clearly included client volume. $825 is unrealistic for 1 client's monthly purchases, which is why one needs to sell products to clients.

[Ty]

The beauty of Network Marketing is that when I help a person make money, I make money.

This concept is warped by WWDB and other Quixtar systems that say:

"While I make money when you make money, in addition, I am going to charge you money to teach you how to make money."

[Michael]

Anon,

Actually, I rarely charge my downline(if ever) for tapes or CD's. It's a write off for me and is added value to my downline. I don't care how much it costs me. If they learn from it, and use it, it's priceless. If I have a great productive leg, I use the my.biz website as an incentive that I would cover their monthly cost if they are consistant and are growing in volume. It's pretty effective and is another write off for my business.

Ty likes funny math, like the math that shows Amway/Quixtar/WWDB has had zero growth for 20 + years! He hasn't been able to substanciate any of it yet...

[Ty]

Do you know a single "prosumer" that has 10 clients?

I never knew ANYONE, prosumer or not in 10 years of experience with WWDB that had 10 clients.

[Ty]

"Ty likes funny math, like the math that shows Amway/Quixtar/WWDB has had zero growth for 20 + years! He hasn't been able to substanciate any of it yet..."

Count the number of North American Amway Distributors 20 years ago and compare that to the number of Quixtar IBO's today.

Enjoy.

As they say Michael, "the facts don't count".

[anon]

I clearly said "profit margin on tools" which does not address whether or not a Platinum is making a bonus on Premiere Membership fees-- I assumed it was a given that there was a kickback for a leader on the Premier membership fee...

It is not lying or naive to state that a $2.50 CD in the hands of a 100PV IBO is the same price as a $2.50 CD in the hands of a Platinum. (Unless Magic Math is applied.)

[anon]

Considering that the Quixtar website requires one to account for their compliance to the 10 Client rule (10 clients, 50 PV or $100/mo in client purchases) in order to get paid a bonus check on anything but personal circle volume, and considering that World Wide is encouraging the Direct Pay system via Quixtar, yes... anyone getting paid via Quixtar is adhering to the 10 Client Rule requirements.
My upline mentor/surrogate sponsor has more than 10 clients. With online ordering, Ditto Delivery, etc, it's easy to have consistent client volume if one makes an effort.

Ty, you're looking at the world through 80's Amway goggles again.

[anon]

P.P.S. Take the issue of a "trendy" name of Prosumer up with the likes of futurist Alvin Toffler, who coined the term... (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosumer )

[anon]

Ironically, if you were on a book-reading program, you might be familiar with economic concepts like prosumerism, power waves, S curves, etc. ;)

(Sorry, can't resist teasing you sometimes.)

[Ty]

"Ty, you're looking at the world through 80's Amway goggles again."

I was never in Amway in 80's.

But if you mean that I am looking at Amway/Quixtar as a real business, not a cult, you are correct. = )

As for reading, using an economic term to descibe something doesn't always descibe it correctly...see "powerwave".

Oh my, what a powerwave. Outside of Michaels skewed perception of reality, Quixtar went backwards last year.

"Quixtar will be $100 Billion company in 5 years"

- Brad Duncan and Ron Puryear

P.S. Are you saying that you don't have 10 clients? Interesting.

[Ty]

P.P.S.

By the way, I am on a book program. Books that were actually published after 1970.

The 5 most important books for Network Marketers:
http://mlmblog.typepad.com/blog/2006/02/the_5_most_impo.html

I would also add a 6th: Never Eat Alone by Keith Ferrazzi.

[christian]

Ty,

The main reason I read these blogs is to see if I can maybe learn something. I guess these blogs and negative websites are my "news" for Quixtar. Going on sites like AmQuix will always have the latest news on divorces and court trials. It's like the National Enquirer for Quixtar.

Anyways, I normally never write on blogs (except recently, of course), but I just had to ask you. Please don't take it as an attack, because I really do want to know. How do you have the time to train your team? I mean, I understand that YOU may have the time being a stay-at-home dad, but what about your team? Do they have blogs like these that consistently argue with people in different businesses? Do you really stay at home all day on conference calls training your team members?

You've mentioned some books which is great. Do you encourage your team members for personal growth as well? If you do spend time training them and helping them, then why spend time talking about Quixtar and its systems? It just doesn't make sense to me that you would even give it the time of day while you're focused on building your Oasis business. And I know you might say it doesn't take a lot of your time, but it still does take mental energy. It's taking mental energy and time from me just posting this message.

Wouldn't you might be more effective if you spend your mental energy growing your business? Helping them? Training them? Building relationships with them? I know there's gotta be a few knuckle-head IBOs on here that has said some things to you that shouldn't have been said if they were truly reading and applying the people skills they claim to be learning. So why spend the energy? I just don't understand your intentions. Some negative sites are meant for Quixtar's demise, but from what I understand, that's not what you want. Am I wrong?

[Ty]

Christian,

We have in depth training for our team in Oasis.

Honestly, I started my blog as a way to meet people and share my thoughts and perceptions on the industry. Later, I began publishing blogs as a business model.

So my time is spent in two areas. Morning is related to my blogs and afternoon is Oasis.

In addition, I think people need to hear the truth about Quixtar. I was fed information by my upline that was really not true.

People should understand that WWDB has only broken 5-6 new qualified Diamonds in the last 10 years and that all of them have been involved since at least 1995.

[christian]

Okay, 5-6 new Diamonds. Well, I'm not in the WWDB system, but I am very familiar with them because they are the majority so far here. See, you were in for about 10 yrs and then you left. Most critics claim how happy they were that the brainwashing finally stopped. My question is why do you keep pursuing it? Why does it even matter? Because honestly, it doesn't really matter to me. I have found what works for me and my team even in the system. I see how some Quixtar IBOs come on here and criticize you, pointing out how stupid or an idiot or how bad your math is. I just don't see how that can be productive for anyone. The thing about blogs is that nobody's mind is ever changed on these things. Neutral people normally don't post on blogs. It's usually the ones w/ extreme views and beliefs. I've NEVER seen a message saying: Ty, wow, you are so right, how can I have been so stupid?

As such, it not my goal to CHANGE you. My goal is to understand. If Quixtar IBOs are truly reading and applying the people skills, there should be NO reason for anyone to call anyone names or lose their temper. ESPECIALLY on a medium such as this!

So again, I'm just trying to understand. If you have found what works for you (Oasis), then why spend time w/ us (brainwashed IBOs)? The only conclusion I can come up w/ is that you probably get a considerable amount of downline from disgruntled, unhappy IBOs, who you convince to switch. I do commend you for having something to offer them if they still do want to pursue a Network Marketing company. My goal is not to sponsor everyone on God's green Earth, but to find the few serious ones. Ty, it's been an incredible journey thus far. We do enforce the 10 client rule and we enforce proper training. And you know what, coupled with the system, it does work and people DO make money w/o ever having to spend a dime out of their own pocket to participate in the system.